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Tuesday, April 12, 2005

An Open Letter to Liberal Bloggers

Over the past couple of weeks our theme has been trying to find ways to promote an agenda of economic fairness as a way of expressing our moral values as a society and our religious values as moderate and progressive people of faith. In some of its most central economic and tax policies, the Bush Administration has favored the economic interests of the wealthiest two percent and opposed attempts to help the less advantaged such as recent efforts to raise the minimum wage. Two things are clear from responses to our recent posts. First, many (especially white) secular liberals are uncomfortable with those of us who express our values in moral or religious terms; second, there is a longstanding history of such action among African American church leaders and there seems to be a greater comfort level in doing so in the black community.

In her recent FP Interview, BlackandChristian.Com founder Jacqueline Trussell expressed the second point very well:

"FP: We have been very impressed with the unity and progressive agenda of the various mostly Black Baptist groups (Please see our post: Black Baptists Unite on Progressive Agenda) Do you have any thoughts on this effort?

JT: Yes in fact my mother attended the meeting and is active in one of the Black Baptist groups that convened. The four Baptist groups that met represent a significant portion of Black Christians. They have the ability to reach a great number of people every Sunday morning and through various other media. There is potential for great things to happen around an agenda that speaks of "uplifting the race" through social, political and economic change. What remains to be seen is how this will be implemented. The Black Church, whether Baptist, Methodist or Church of God In Christ, has always been at the forefront of any movement for change as it relates to people of African descent."


FP found it very interesting that when 15 million Americans came together and united on a common progressive agenda after the election it received almost no coverage in the liberal press. The fact that it happened under the auspices of Black Baptist groups that had been battling each other for decades made this story all the more newsworthy. But there was almost no coverage in the liberal magazines, still less on the lefty blogs. If 15 million Move On activists had met after the election, FP suspects we would have heard a little more about it! But a black friend told me the lack of response from the liberal press is "nothing new."

Why do I raise this potentially controversial issue? Certainly the last thing we want to do is create any hard feelings between groups that need and respect each other. FP simply asks that even the most secular liberals afford some respect to people of faith.

So here's our advice, which I seriously doubt will be followed, but which I hope you will at least consider before you post some anti-religious screed on a blog or snark about people of faith of the left or right. Please remember that there are tens of millions of us black, white and brown Americans whose participation in the political system is largely inspired by our religious and moral values. Please remember that we have been involved in every struggle for justice, peace and civil rights this country has ever had and that many of those battles would not have been won without these efforts. Unlike some on the religious right, moderate and progressive people of faith do not seek to tell you how to live your own life. But we do demand respect, just as we attempt to give it to others who disagree with us.

Peace, FP

27 Comments:

Blogger James said...

There's definitely a need for the left to let go of its readily apparent hostility toward religion. I wrote something to that effect in my own blog recently, though I did not have the benefit of an interview with an activist figure in the religious left to boost my point.

9:26 AM  
Blogger Ol Cranky said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The religious left needs to take stock of the damage done by the right wing's co-option of religion and "morality." I panic when I hear folks start discussing religion during political discourse; it's an understandable conditioned response in reaction to today's political climate. The onus on changing that perception/reaction the "secularists" (you say secular, but those people frequently include religious folks who aren't Christian) have when religious references are made is on the religious left who needs to come out en force to refute the religious right.

10:57 AM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

James:

You post was excellent, much better than mine. By the way, I have several times had problems commenting on your site. You had a post about Comments one time and I couldn't comment!

OC:

I agree mostly with your point. When I felt an obligation to non-Christian friends as well as to my own vision of my faith when I decided to focus my activities in this direction. But here's another part of what I was trying to say: I think liberal elites expect everyone else to be a liberal elite and to agree eith them on every issue. When Rev Jesse Jackson went to FL and supported the Schindler family--he got all this grief from the liberal white elite--but what I saw was that he was just acting in a manner consistent with his faith--a different perspective than liberal elites have...If we want to build a grass roots infra-structure it has to be ok for some of us to see some issues differently, and I still think the dEmocratic party had its richest moral vision when it paid more attention to the ideas of African Americans and religious leaders in particular.

FP

10:40 PM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

As a follow-up to my comments last night...there is probably less tension but more real differences between the Christian Right and libertarian conservatives. The secularist right has tolerated even extremists on the Christian Right--not good, but there are very few extremists in the religious center and left, and still the left ultra secularists have less patience for accepting participation. OC is right that it involves proving twe are no threat--but haven't we done that over the last 50 years?

FP

6:48 AM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

As a follow-up to my comments last night...there is probably less tension but more real differences between the Christian Right and libertarian conservatives. The secularist right has tolerated even extremists on the Christian Right--not good, but there are very few extremists in the religious center and left, and still the left ultra secularists have less patience for accepting participation. OC is right that it involves proving twe are no threat--but haven't we done that over the last 50 years?

FP

6:48 AM  
Blogger Ol Cranky said...

I tried to address my comments in a little more detail last night. You are right the liberal elite expect everyone to think like they do and look down their noses on anyone who does not (I think all elitists regardless of political leanings are that way) - they are the equivalent of the extremists on the right.

You completely misunderstand why Jesse Jackson was slammed by the left (myself included) for his foray into the Schiavo situation however. The slammage came because Jackson is widely believed to be an opportunist and his actions/ statements (including one in which he said everyone who is hungry should get a feeding tube - which I'm sure was meant metaphorically, but made him sound like quite a putz) made his sudden appearance at the behest of the Schindler's appear purely political.

As for "proving we are no threat--but haven't we done that over the last 50 years?" I'm sorry to say that unless people have direct experience with deeply religious people who do not impose their views and/or stand in judgment they may not know people like you exist. To be perfectly honest, if I didn't count some pretty religious Southern Baptists & Nazarenes (very republican ones at that) among my friends, I'm not sure I would have been so quick to start searching out and reading blogs described in some way as "Christian".

The Republican party/"moral majority" have done a frighteningly good job of linking Christian with the religious right. Most people regarded the first incarnation of the "moral majority" (late 70s-80s) as extremists and disregarded the threat. Now that their threats have come to fruition, and there are all these political "religious" red herrings on which legislation may be based, the left has tied "Christian" to the extreme conservative agenda. The left needs to know folks like you really are the reule, not the exception and the only way you can get that word out and reinforce the message is to speak out against the right en force.

1:54 PM  
Blogger r.johnson said...

FP- First, I took you up on your invitation and posted on the role of religion in shaping public debate on economics. It's a first installment and only addresses how the Protestant work ethic counteracts religious appeals to the common good and our obligation to assist the least among us. Let me know what you think.

Second, I agree with OC that many on the left panic when they hear someone advocate religion playing a role in the public debate. It is up to us to change the public perception of what it means to have religion play a role in the debate. Certainly focusing on the common good and an inclusive, rather than an exclusive, message will foster that goal.

2:20 PM  
Blogger r.johnson said...

FP- First, I took you up on your invitation and posted on the role of religion in shaping public debate on economics. It's a first installment and only addresses how the Protestant work ethic counteracts religious appeals to the common good and our obligation to assist the least among us. Let me know what you think.

Second, I agree with OC that many on the left panic when they hear someone advocate religion playing a role in the public debate. It is up to us to change the public perception of what it means to have religion play a role in the debate. Certainly focusing on the common good and an inclusive, rather than an exclusive, message will foster that goal.

2:29 PM  
Blogger r.johnson said...

FP- First, I took you up on your invitation and posted on the role of religion in shaping public debate on economics. It's a first installment and only addresses how the Protestant work ethic counteracts religious appeals to the common good and our obligation to assist the least among us. Let me know what you think.

Second, I agree with OC that many on the left panic when they hear someone advocate religion playing a role in the public debate. It is up to us to change the public perception of what it means to have religion play a role in the debate. Certainly focusing on the common good and an inclusive, rather than an exclusive, message will foster that goal.

2:31 PM  
Blogger r.johnson said...

Ooops.

2:32 PM  
Anonymous The Corpuscle said...

I'm an atheist but I'm starving for the religious left to get more involved politically, especially in resisting the radical right. But it seems to me that the notion that non-religious left is somehow excluding the religious left from the debate, or failing to keep cousel with it, or what-all, is absurd. There are very few people in this country who are like me, a non-believer, and to think this relatively small percentage of the population could exclude the vast majority of the left that is religious smacks of conspiracy theory.

I think the problem is that the American religious left has been nowhere near as competent at pressing its case as the radical religious right has been.

Having said that, there is no question that some non-religious lefties throw attitude toward religious lefties. It's not very nice, to be sure. Then again, it's not very nice when religious lefties, unfortunately many of them from black churches, get mad at gay rights advocates for "distracting" the left from "real" issues, one of which does not seem to be, in their opinion, same-sex marriage. I've heard a number of religious lefties express disdain for the notion that the struggle for gay civil rights has nothing in common with the struggle for civil rights for African Americans. That's an appalling attitude, to me.

Like I said, I'm starved for the religious left to push back against the religious right. The religious right once suffered from being shut out of the political process. No more. They did something about it.

I think the religious left needs to do a little tidying up of its own house, and some reflection, before it complains too much about the relatively few of us who are non-religious.

8:31 PM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

Corpusle:

First, welcome. In some ways your post proves my point...Whatever happened to coalition building? The thing about building coalitions is that you all don't have to agree with each other on every issue--you're 'pure' on X issue, I am on "Y" issue--but maybe we both agree on A through W. Here's the deal: even my wife rarely listens to Air America because they often equate all believers with the extremist right. Same kind of thinking that makes every Arab suspect--inother words it's not thinking at all-it's stupid prejudice. Even Al Franken is often a little too anti-religious, though not in th elast couple of days when he's been finally have some black speakers on--some of them religious leaders.

Here's the deal, too, if Air America loses my very liberal wife, foygetta about reaching the middle!

OC:

People bashed Rev. Jackson as opportunist, but they said that about King, too. All I know is he came up here when we had a really nasty union battle at a meat packing plant and stayed on the picket line all day doing only local TV interviews. He seems real to me--we don't all have to agree about every damn thing!

People don't know the story of the Popular Front of moderates amd left in Europe--internal fighting doomed and the extremists took over.

FP

FP

FP

10:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I found my way here from Avedon Carol's Sideshow, a prominent liberal blog, so you are getting some coverage, and I expect you will get more.

As for coverage in the liberal press--as Eric Alterman says, what liberal press? Progressives of all stripes have trouble getting coverage in the mass media.

One of the problems with this mode of communications is that negatives tend to stand out. The good work of religious progressives is harder to see than the destructive work of the religious right, and the good work of liberals is harder to see than criticisms of religion.

Beyond that, "please remember that there are tens of millions of us black, white and brown Americans whose participation in the political system is largely inspired by our religious and moral values." What, are we immoral people, then? I think it is accurate to say that most progressives are inspired by moral values; some are also inspired by religious values they don't talk about.

As to the sources of the hostility to religion on the left, it is partly an outgrowth of a history of dealing with churches as deeply reactionary forces, and partly disagreement on social issues: sexuality, abortion, family law. I do not expect agreement on these to be reached in less than generations, but perhaps we can agree to set them aside; we clearly do have many common interests in other areas.

Matthew 5:22-6.

Randolph Fritz
randolph@panix.com

10:53 PM  
Anonymous the corpuscle said...

Faithful Progressive said... First, welcome. In some ways your post proves my point...Whatever happened to coalition building? The thing about building coalitions is that you all don't have to agree with each other on every issue--you're 'pure' on X issue, I am on "Y" issue--but maybe we both agree on A through W.

Thank you for your welcome to me.

How does a gay person who wants the legal protections of civil marriage build a coalition with somebody who disdains me for even bringing the subject up? I'm speaking generally, of things I've heard from callers on Air America radio, as a matter of fact. I'm not speaking of anything you or anyone in here has said.

I'm into building a coalition. I'm way into it. But you can't just say "Can't we all get along?" and assume you've got a coalition. It takes work figuring out stuff like this. I'll bet you one whole American dollar there are people in here right now who are irritated I brought the issue up. I'm "working against coalition" or something.

Well, it's not that easy. How can I form a coalition with people who disdain me for even bringing the subject up? I'm speaking generally of the tension on this subject, not of anyone in here. I'm happy to work together with religious lefties on all sorts of issues. Just, you know, don't stab me in the back on something that matters as much to me as your issues matter to you.

I don't believe my comment proves your point at all, I'm afraid. I think your point doesn't go far enough toward addressing the problems of forming a coalition.

11:41 PM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

Just so you know, FP actively supports equal rights for all, and finds no way to reconcile being pro-Jesus and anti-gay--still, I understand your point. You can pluck a quote out here and there, but by and large it’s not moderate or progressive religious leaders who are out there bashing gays--we’re too busy trying to figure out how to get 37 million people out of poverty, etc etc Most moderate religious people have a hard time with people who use religion to condemn others.

FP

8:38 AM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

Randolf wrote:

Beyond that, "please remember that there are tens of millions of us black, white and brown Americans whose participation in the political system is largely inspired by our religious and moral values." What, are we immoral people, then? I think it is accurate to say that most progressives are inspired by moral values; some are also inspired by religious values they don't talk about.

FP
As to the sources of the hostility to religion on the left, it is partly an outgrowth of a history of dealing with churches as deeply reactionary forces, and partly disagreement on social issues: sexuality, abortion, family law. I do not expect agreement on these to be reached in less than generations, but perhaps we can agree to set them aside; we clearly do have many common interests in other areas.

Matthew 5:22-6.

Randolph Fritz"

RF:
Sorry I misssed your comment..of course not. No, it's not the reasoning of the left that I am talking about--it's an intolerance that you show no trace of. Perhaps you've never listened to Air America?-it's hard to listen to it any day and not hear some anti-religious (as opposed to anti Christian Right) comment..

By the way, I am honered to be linked again by Sideshow, certainly one of my favorite blogs.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, thank you. BTW, you might write Avedon a "thank for the link" note, if you haven't already done so.

Air America, truthfully, I can only take in small doses. I like Al Franken & I appreciate his commentators--people who I've been reading for years, after all--, but Randi Rhodes grates on me after a while, and Ed Schultz I can take or leave. But for all I know Franken is actually the worst offender on your list--I might be missing the things that offend you.

Perhaps...drop a note to Al Franken suggesting he do a show on the christian left? Interview Bruce Cockburn? Bono, even? One has to start somewhere. There's a whole history there that might bear repeating, as well as a lot of current activism. If we're dreaming, what about a progressive christian radio show? That would open a few eyes, I daresay. And it might open some hearts on the christian right, as well.

Thanks for your remarks.

RF

2:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Help me out with this:
The religious (christian) left alleges that the rest of the left (whatever size or proportion that represents) is hostile toward the christians among us, shouting the christians down and generally not respecting them?

Is this different than the false claim the Radical X-tian Right is using to try to take over the country?

6:39 PM  
Blogger Faithful Progressive said...

Anonymous:

Yes, this is a different thing. All we're saying--it's not just me--is don't mock anything that is sacred to anyone else. Lots of lefties take it as a starting point that nothing's sacred and that type of critical (and even satirical) outlook doesn't work for people who want a politics of meaning... There are a lot of people who still think some things are sacred-just be a little sensitive to that and we will open up millions of new voters to a moderate to liberal perspective.

FP

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